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Super Lam
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That's about it for the body. The lens is ... though it is a EX. You will be stuck with a SA lens forever. Anyway, what is expanxxx? |
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HKD 41xx (Body) and HKD 60xx (Body + 18-50mm F2.8 EX DC Macro) + Delivery HKD 60.00 at eXpanxxx HK.
Is this worth to try Sigma SD14 ? |
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Super Lam
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Ignore what I just said: Sigma just bought Foveon.
On the bright side, Sigma seems to really mean business. |
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That is painful reality with Sigma. They are stuck with the hardware (the SD15 seems to be only a software upgrade) but the difficult parts are already there - the mirror box, pentaprism, etc. The button layout is not difficult to change. Unless it is restricted by license, it is not difficult to look at what the big guys have with operational logistics and just ... copy. Then we have a SDxx that operates at least as responsive and convenient as those cameras from the big guys. Most comments I saw with SD14 is, in short, "greatly improved over SD9 and SD10 (which are from horrible to not so good) but not quite on par with the competition".
I really hope that Sigma can carry that marvellous sensor to flourishment but the future looks dim. As someone correctly mentioned, if Olympus produces a 4/3 Foveon-based camera, that will be perfect. As light has to penetrate 3 layers of photosites in the Foveon sensor, would the perpendicular incident angle of 4/3 be an advantage? |
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Just find that SD14 + Battery Grip + Spare Battery cost less than US$ 600.00 in Amazon.com.
The only problem is Amazon ships to US address only.
Hk$ 5,850.00 for SD14 seems no cheap in Hong Kong. |
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Super Lam
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SECOND HAND IN MK COST $4800.......~ |
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CD: SONY XB790QS DAC+PRE-AMP:MACKIE ONXY400F
SPEAKER: ROLAND DS5
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SUB WOOFER: YAMAHA SW305
EX-EQU: YAMAHA MG12/4, P3200 , CP2000 , MIRAGE
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There are two ways to look at it.
On one hand, as the first line consumer grade dslr such as d90 and second line dslr such as s5pro are at >$7000, it is still not competitive to sell SD14 at $5850. On the other hand, for a small company lacking the production power (hence lower costs) of the big guys, how much lower can they get? For me, I hope to see how good is the SD15 is (not promising) before deciding. |
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ZERO Hing,
The lowest price you can get for the body only, if you can buy from Jessops in UK, is $4600 (gbp299) - $800 (18-50 kit, UV, etc.) = $3800. Of course you have to live in UK and it is the best scenario (unless you are able to claim VAT too). Sigma UK chooses to give a gbp200 rebate while Sigma HK only lowers the price from $8800 to $6980. If Sigma Japan sells to HK and UK at the same price, then Sigma HK still have $2000 to go down. Even if they do so, it is still $1000 above the best deal in UK. Of course, the market in UK and HK are different but I do not see how much less popular is sd14 in UK than that in HK.
In short, there may be room to go down. |
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其實買相機唔同買股票, 當價錢見底時(散貨)往往係新型號快出世啦! 應是以需要為大前題喔!
我最有興趣係見識下 SD14 + Sigma 150mm f/2.8 macro 既終極效果! 可惜緣份未到.......  |
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各位師兄
小弟想左好耐
想買SD14
其實6980是否己見底 ? |
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$6980.
BTW, the Jessops deal is real. They are selling SD14 + 18-50 (kit, not the 2.8) + UV filter + cleaning cloth at GBP499.99. Sigma UK offers GBP200 rebate. The only thing is you have to pay with a credit card registered in UK and deliver to a UK address. Delivery is free. Of course, you can order and collect at store. If you collect at store, you may even claim back 15% VAT (depending on the terms of Jessops).
Any idea to work around? |
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見 DC fever 入左成棟貨, 價好似$6-7K左右.....  |
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Sino hing,
I will try to pick some for posting  |
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Happy shooting!
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Sino hing,
You are welcome, actually it is not odd for people to view Foveon X3 as a CCD as the color is so alive and the pictures are so 3D which no other CMOS sensor (my D3 included) can produce. I still use Sigma for studio shootings and product shots. Although a lot of PP (post processing) is required as compared to Nikon, the result is well worth it. |
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Happy shooting!
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Hahaha!!! I did see before there was some forums using the wording of Foveon CCD and that's what I remember. I double checked about it, you are right. Thank you very much for your correction.
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Sino hing,
Just a friendly reminder, the Foveon chip is a CMOS base chip. And CCD and do live view as well, at least my S5Pro can, although not very good. |
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Happy shooting!
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For PS, that requires some pondering. You may know more than I do about this: when a camera with Bayer CCD give you a raw file, does it only contain the value of light received by each pixel plus the relevant colour of course and let the raw converter do the interpolation, i.e. estimate the values for the other 2 colours OR that the camera has already done the estimation and supply a file with values for all 3 colours for each pixel. I suppose the latter is the case, which gives a large part of the "characteristics" of the camera, viz. the image characteristics of a camera is a combination of that of the sensor and the estimating programme in the camera.
If that is the case, that may answer you point about PS needed for the Foveon chip. For a Foveon chip, such estimation is not needed as the chip has already given all 3 values for 3 colour on each pixel. Put it in anouther way, a Bayer chip needs pre-prossessing in the camera and you probably cannot "undo" the estimations done by the camera. This may not be a problem with Foveon.
Also, the final product is important, not the process. If Foveon preserves more information which allow more room in post-possessing (with the tradeoff that without post-proscessiong the picture does not look good), what is wrong with it? In one case, you can have very good picture with some more work. In the other, you do not have the extra work but are stuck with whatever the camera manufacturer gives you. It would not be a case of right or wrong but just personal preference.
Of course, if I were wrong and raw files from Bayer-based cameras do not contain interpolated values, then it is totally different. However, it does not seem to be the case as, if this is the case, we should have post-processing software that can affect the picture quality more than the camera. The choice of camera would not matter, from a picture quality point of view, as the camera is only giving black-and-white values plus a colour tag. The fact that pictures from different cameras carry strong characteristics of the make seems to disprove the point.
BTW, what is LV? |
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Brother Jo, even the background theory of Foveon is ideal, there are at least two difficulties that it has to overcome before being considered by manufacturers.
I head that the color from Sigma SD series is not too accurate and PS is a required in the end. The 2nd is...Foveon has to support the LV in the long run. To the best of my knowledge, CCD cannot support LV and that was why N, O... were shifting to use MOS.  |
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